Ancestors ~ Paternal Line ~ of Danny J Loveless ~ Part 1

Some of Our  Handsome  Men in Our Family

Some of Our Handsome Men in Our Family

For my blog this week I would like to start to share my husbands, Danny J Loveless’s paternal family line. It’s still a work in progress so if any of my readers could give me any advice I would be grateful for any feedback I receive. I will add some other blogs as I am able to finish getting all the facts figured out on some of the different interesting Family member’s and the stories in their lives.
Danny’s father died when he was only nine years old. He has two half-brothers from him, but they are 20 plus years older than him and one is deceased. They both had families of their own to care for as Danny was growing up so he did not interact much about their family history. Danny admittedly told me that he knew very little about his father’s family history because of his own lack of interest. Now as he has gotten older he has expressed an interest, so I have tried to learn what I could from the different genealogy sites that I use for family history research.

Here is what I have been able to piece together to this point.

Ancestors ~ Paternal Line ~ of Danny J Loveless
William Lovelace Luvlaz (1247 – 1270) is Danny’s 19th Great Grandfather (GGF)
John I Lovelace (1270 – 1300) is Danny’s 18th GGF
John Lovelace II (1300 – 1363) 17th GGF
John Lovelace III
(1330 – 1417) 16th GGF
John Lovelace IV (1360 – 1417) 15th GGF
Robert Richard Lovelace (1395 – 1466) 14th GGF
William John Lovelace (1435 – 1495) 13th GGF
Sir William Lovelace II (1480 – 1541) 12th GGF
William Lovelace III
(1527 – 1577) 11th GGF
Sir William IV Lovelace (1561 – 1628) 10th GGF
Sir William Lovelace (1583 – 1627) 9th GGF
Thomas Lovelace (1615 – 1689) 8th GGF
Thomas William Lovelace (1650 – 1763) 7th GGF
John Baptist Lovelace (1689 – 1765) 6th GGF
Thomas Loveless
(1706 – 1736) 5th GGF
John Loveless (1736 – 1811) 4th GGF
Joseph Loveless (1778 – 1829) 3rd GGF
John Jasper Loveless (1807 – 1880) 2nd GGF
James Washington Loveless
(1828 – 1889) GGF
David Henry Loveless (1862 – 1934) Grandfather
Carl Edwin Loveless (1904 – 1962) Father
Danny J Loveless Son of Carl Edwin Loveless

Some Interesting Loveless/Lovelace History that I found as I researched Danny’s family history:

1. The family names of Loveless and Lovelace all began as Lovelace.
• In pre-revolutionary
times the family was divided by political interests.
• The Tories or Royalists kept the Lovelace name and either returned to Europe or removed to Canada.
• In defiance the Patriots or Rebels who wanted to break away from England and to become Americans changed the name to Loveless. As you can see we come through the Patriots or “Rebel” side of the family 😉 This helps me understand where my husband got the Rebel in him.

2. In early records the Loveless/Lovelace name appears under many different spellings including Loulas; Luvlace; Loveles; Lovelisse; Lawless; Laghless; Laueless; Loweless; Lovelas; Louelace; Lovelass; Lovis.

3. Tradition says that the name originated from Loheac, who was a captain of a free company in the service of Edward the Black Prince, and he subsequently settled in England. I was not able to find any proof to back up this claim or to find out the first name of this man named Loheac or where he came from. Edward the Black Prince lived from 1330-1376. He was one of the most famous warriors of the middle ages. John Lovelace II (1300 – 1363) who is Danny’s 17th GGF, John Lovelace III (1330 – 1417) who is Danny’s 16th GGF and John Lovelace IV (1360 – 1417) who is Danny’s 15th GGF. These men all lived during Edward the Black Princes time period however to date I have not been able to find any data that links any of them with Edward the Black Prince. I have also been able to find an additional two generations of Danny’s family line, John I Lovelace (1270 – 1300) is Danny’s 18th GGF and William Lovelace/Luvlaz (1247 – 1270) is Danny’s 19th Great Grandfather (GGF) I do have my doubts as to the actual facts of this claim, but I try to keep an open mind and I will keep researching until I can prove or disprove its claim.

4. Lovelace (Loveless) is an old English surname derived from the “wearing of a love token”.

5. The Lovelace’s are Bethersden England’s most famous family; William Luvelaz is the earliest recorded member of this town and he is shown as witness to a Bethersden deed not later than 1247.

6. John Lovelace III (1330 – 1417), Danny’s 16th GGF; in 1367 purchased from William Kinet a manor in Bethersden, that was west of the parish church, which was afterwards variously known as “Bethersden”, “Bethersden-Lovelace”:, and “Lovelace Place”.

7. John Lovelace IV (1360 – 1417), Danny’s 15th GGF. He is mentioned as proprietor of the Lovelace Place, this took place in 1412 when he bought some marble pits in Bethersden from John Gybon. He died before April 15, 1417. A charter from Henry V (who reigned 1413-1422) mentions John Lovelace IV as heirs and landholders in Bethersden, and John Lovelace IV was buried with wife Joane or Johanna in the Bethersden Church.

8. Sir William Lovelace,(1583 -1628) Danny’s 9th great grandfather died in the great battle Siege of Groll, Holland, in the Netherlands. He married about or sometime before 1610, the granddaughter of an Elizabethan Chief Baron of the Exchequer, Her name was Lady Katheren Anne Barnes. She was born about 1587, the youngest child of Sir William Barne(s) and Anne Sandys. Known as Sir William Lovelace of Woolwich through his new wife’s estate but was called Sir William the younger in will. In May, 1609, he was referred to as Captain William Lovelace, who was a member of the Virginia Co. and a Knight of Bethersden-Kent, and direct ancestor of the Bethersden line.

9. Richard Lovelace, (1582 – 1657) Danny’s 8th great grand uncle, was the oldest son of Sir William IV Lovelace (1561 – 1628), Danny’s 9th GGF, and the Brother of Sir William Lovelace, Danny’s 8th great grandfather (1583 -1628). Richard Lovelace was known as the Cavalier poet, courtier and soldier. In 1642 it was wrote that Richard Lovelace, was “reputed to be the handsomest man in England.” This explains where the men in our family get their good looks. During this time England was faced with the prospect of war with France, so King William asked Parliament to authorize the creation of a standing army in England. This they refused. Many in England were angered by the decision and sent appeals to Parliament to that effect. The people of Kent (the county closest to France and so the most likely to be ruined, and the one that the Lovelace family lived in) wrote the “Kentish Petition” and chose five men to carry it to London to present it to Parliament, Richard Lovelace was one of this five men. The Commons declared the petition seditious, and the men were arrested and imprisoned. Richard Lovelace was sent to the Gatehouse Prison, Westminster.
Lovelace petitioned the Commons for his liberty, and late in June 1642 he was released on personal bail of £IO, 000. Unable, without forfeiting his bail, to fight for Charles I, he instead supplied his brothers with money. Lovelace is known to have been at Bethersden at various dates between 1642 and 1647, he was selling his property there piece by piece to Richard Hulse of Great Chart. In 1645 and 1646 he was in the Low Countries, serving apparently as a Colonel in the French army, and he was wounded at Dunkirk in 1646. After his return to England, he was among the Royalists that defeated and captured Fairfax at Maidstone in 1648. Once again he was imprisoned in London; he died aged less than 40 in 1657 and was buried at St. Bride’s, Fleet Street.

10. During the Commonwealth the poet’s, Richard Lovelace’s surviving brothers, Capt. Thomas, Col. Francis and Capt. Dudley Posthumus Lovelace all went to America, and after the Restoration, Francis Lovelace was the Governor of New York 1669-72. Captain William Lovelace, Danny’s 9th great grandfather (1583 -1628) who died in battle was not able to go to America, but he was one of the original members of the Virginia Co and some of his children were able to go to America. Among them was Thomas Lovelace (1615 – 1689) Danny’s 8th GGF who settled in New York, and his older sister Anne Barne Lovelace and her husband John (Rev) Gorsuch who settled in Jamestown Virginia. This is why, and when those in our Lovelace family came to live in America.
Loveless Lovelace Line

How Do We Choose to Record the Many Layers & Flavors of Our Family History?

How do we define sensitive subjects and the feelings these subjects generate that make us want to keep our heads in the sand?

How can we hope for any change in those “gray areas” when we are doing our Family History, when some individuals are superb at many diversionary tactics that will make it difficult for some to find out what the real facts are?

Nothing sparks a family argument faster or gets people more heated than the two basic evils: Democrats and Republicans 😉  … Okay, seriously in most families it’s always been religion, politics and differences of opinions over family history that will spark the points of contention. So the question is how do you keep all the different family members working to find a common and acceptable agreement when we seem to always collide over any one of these subjects?

Everyone who does any genealogy loves to brag about their famous ancestors they find in their family tree and for the most part that is a good thing.   On the other side of that coin are those who happen to find the “Hitler’s” that are in their family tree which makes them want to hide and never talk about those dirty and sometimes shady parts of their family history . Though out history it has been shown that many have gone to great lengths to keep their embarrassing family “secrets” buried and hidden even to the point of destroying any documents that would tell of anything that was not wanted to be known publicly. This Makes doing genealogy difficult if not impossible for those in that family blood line to sort out their family history when there is big gaps that have been changed or erased all together.  Anything that went against the “Norm” of society was just not talked about or it was covered over.  In some cases an account of something shady might have been written down in one family members account but the same thing was either changed or deleted from another’s.  Areas such as criminals with jail time, children born out of marriage, maybe even having members of the family in radical groups, like the SS or KKK were some of the sore spots.  Then there are other tender subjects we come across in our family research, things like suicides, mental illness, homosexual relationships, domestic abuse, or alcohol and drug abuse, polygamy or interracial marriages to just name a few of those “Taboo” subjects that in some accounts were avoided or recorded differently than what really happen but none the less they were still  a part of those families history.

While I am sure that there are areas, which no matter what a person’s beliefs are on any certain subject, for one reason or another they will never be able to agree or want to understand someone whose opinions do not match theirs. The purpose of my blog this week is not to find out who is right or wrong but rather as someone who loves to do genealogy I want to try to learn how to continue my family research when in some cases so few documents still exists on certain family lines, or I find conflicting documents so not sure how to continue on and be as accurate as possible.  My personal goal is to overcome the problems caused by the many things that the families of that time wanted to hide. Another matter I struggle with is once you do find something in your family history that might not be “socially” acceptable even in our time or would for sure embarrass someone in your family, how do you go about recording it accurately and in a manner that is acceptable ?

There are many who only want to know the exciting and upbeat parts of their family trees and for them only knowing the names, and vital statistics like dates and places of the births and deaths are all that is important to them in their genealogy research. This is where they draw the line and any facts that are uncomfortable, embarrassing, or they just do not agree with are deleted from their family history. They believe family history is a private matter that needs to be kept private and only the upbeat things should be shared.

Then, there are those like me that feels that any type of history should consist of the truth and wrote down accurately and completely.  I am a person who not only wants but needs to know as many facts as I possibly can on all those in my family and this means the “Good, the Bad and the Ugly”.  Until the puzzle feels completed I keep looking. I guess this is my OC that is coming out in my family history research, but I do feel it’s vitally important to know the complete truth.   I do not think less of, or get embarrassed by the choices that my past family members made in their lives that were different from what my own personal moral code is. I truly enjoy the personal, human side of family history which helps me to understand what the times and areas were like for my different family ancestors and this brings me comfort knowing that they too were human and made their share of mistakes. I gain a whole new level of gratitude for the blessings of my life as I have read the different ways others learned to cope with the hardships of their own lives.  I now feel I better understand myself enough to know that what is the best and right course for me, is not always the best and right course for other who might also share the same family blood lines as me.

I find it interesting as I watch the TV show “Who Do You Think You Are?”   Before the professional genealogist reveals any unflattering family news they always ask the star if they are sure they want to know the whole truth.  My answer would always be YES !!


So my questions this week to my blog readers is this.

  1. How do you deal with the many different layers and flavors of your family research?
  2. If you find facts along your research that is in those “grey areas” of being socially unacceptable things do you still share it in your public family research areas?
  3. If you currently have things in your family that are in those “grey areas” of being socially unacceptable, will you do like those of the past did and cover them up, or will you record the facts and the truths as they are?

Need Some Helpful Advice From Any Grandmothers who have gone in to the Labor & Delivery


This is not my first grandchild....but its the first time I will be in the labor and delivery :)

This is not my first grandchild….but its the first time I will be in the labor and delivery 🙂

I could use some helpful advice from any grandmothers who have gone in to the labor and delivery with your daughter to help and witness the birth of your grandchild. My oldest daughter ask me to be there for her daughter’s birth almost nine years ago, but we live 2000 miles apart and I books my flight to go out there a week before her due date. The problem was our grand-daughter decide to come two weeks early 😉 So I miss her birth by 6 days.

. Now my second daughter is going to be giving birth anytime now, and she lived close by so I know I should make it to the hospital with her and her husband. I had given birth to my own five children, so figured I was prepared to go in and help my daughters in the birth of their children, if they asked me to. Yet, I find the closer the due date is getting, the more nervous I am becoming. I am still over joyed and excited about being blessed to be part of my newest grandson’s birth. I have been getting online and reading anything I can get my hands on to read on how I, in the grandma role, can be a supporting role for my daughter, son-in-law and soon to be grandson Declan. Yet, I somehow still feel unprepared. I know I will be extra emotional and not sure how well I will handle witnessing my daughter in discomfort during the labor and delivery process. I want to be 100 % supportive and give my daughter all the love I have ever felt for her at this joyful time in her life.

So, I am doing this blog this week to ask all Grandmother who read this for some advice as to the ways you found you were helpful and what are the “DO NOTS” for me to remember so I don’t make any mistakes. I will take any helpful advice for any readers who want to leave comments too.

I had a daughter in law reply on my Facebook that reminds me that any mother that has had her mother there is also welcome to give me any advice you have. I just want to know any and everything I can on how I can help make the process in the labor and delivery as smooth and stress free as possible.

~ Hannah Bradbury ~ My Paternal 2nd Great-Grandmother ~ A Lady of Many Mysteries for Me ~

My paternal 2nd Great Grandmother, Hannah Bradbury Barrett Hall.

My paternal 2nd Great Grandmother, Hannah Bradbury Barrett Hall.

Have you ever come across a family ancestor in your research that the more you find out about them the more questions you have about them? That is what I’ve been going through that last few years as I have tried to find more documents on my paternal 2nd Great Grandmother, Hannah Bradbury Barrett Hall.

For any of my readers who could guide me on “How can I find out more on English records from the early 1800’s in the Hurst Cross, Ashton-under-Lyn, Lancashire, England area”, I would be forever grateful.
For those of you who understand the English terms of the 1800’s could you look at the documents that I will post in here later in this blog and then maybe explain to me what they mean.
An example is the crime “Maliciously Wounding”, and some of the jobs that are listed that I am not sure of what they are.

Most records that I have been able to find online are from 1830 or later, and it’s believed that Hannah was born about 1829. Her mother Sarah Bradbury was born in 1813, and her grandfather Randle Bradbury was born 1784. All I know about her grandmother, who was married to Randle and was the mother of Sarah is her first name. Her first name was Margaret or Mary and she was born around 1786 in Audley, Staffordshire, England. We have no birth records on any of these Bradbury family members.
I do know that Hannah’s maternal grandfather Randle Bradbury was sent to prison in 1850 in Staffordshire, England for Larcerry and Burglary for 10 years and 2 months. Randle died while serving his time in the prison Stockport, in Congleton, Cheshire Staffordshire, England in June 1857. It does not tell where he is buried.
Randle Bradbury Prision Records 1

Randle Bradbury Prision Records  2

Death Record of Randle Bradbury

On the subject of Hannah’s mother Sarah Bradbury, I will do a blog on her at another time. Sarah’s life has left me with as many questions as her daughter Hannah. For this week’s blog I want to focus on Hannah and hopefully show my readers enough data on her, than one of you can direct me to other possible leads I might be able to follow to uncover the facts on Hannah’s life.

In my blog this week I will put in all that I have found on Hannah but I know there is still so many unanswered questions for me about her and the life of her family. Some of the stuff about the Bradbury family I learned, was through my Grandma Ellen’s biography of her father Edward Barrett. He was one of Hannah’s sons. Yet, when I try to find documents to prove or disprove facts about Hannah that we think might have happen in her life I hit a brick wall. I have even tried to research what that area of England was like during that period of time to get a feel of what their lives must have been like. I try to follow-up on any leads I find, but I only hit more brick walls and I am left with even more questions. After doing my research I now understand that those were very tough times in that area of England for the “poor working class” that the Bradbury and Barrett families were born into. They were uneducated and unable to write. For the Bradbury and Barrett families to just be able to survive it was a struggle to say the least. This meant that record keeping for future generations was the least of their concerns. I also know that those were much different times than we now live in, and some of the facts in their personal lives might have been publicly embarrassing for the family and were kept out of any public documents. Other embarrassing facts are now being found in other public documents and were not talked about then, so they were not shared in what family history was told or wrote down. I find it interesting that in the documents I have been able to find, some of the names are spelled many different ways, the facts on birth dates and places of birth are different, so how much I can count on these documents is questionable. From what I have been able to learn of Hannah, I feel that she had to have been a very strong and hardworking lady to be able to survive the level of poverty and unstable living conditions of that time. I do not try to dig up facts on her unusual life so I could judge her, but instead I want to understand how these harsh conditions of her life made her resort to making some of the choices she made to survive. I really admire her, and look up to her as a woman whose life seemed to not give her any help or kindness, yet for every known knock-down she recovered. She picked herself up and carried on and made the best out of the life until her death in 1913.

Here is the data I have found so far on Hannah Bradbury Barrett Hall:

Map of Lancashire Parishes before 1832

Birth: About 1829 in Hurst Cross, Ashton-under-Lyn, Lancashire, England
Death: 21 May 1913 in Kexborough, Darton, Lancashire, England
• I believe her Christening was when she was almost one years old, on 18 April 1830, Ashton Under Lyn, Lancaster, England, but have not any documentation on her birth or her Christening.

1841 England Census about Hannah Bradbury

1841 England Census about Hannah Bradbury
It’s says on the top “Names of those who abode therein the preceding night: so this is most likely a boarding home or some sort.
Name: Hannah Bradbury
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: about 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Higher Hurst, Ashton and Oldham, Hartshead, Lancashire, England
Occupation: On top of page it reads “Profession, Trade or Employment” under both Hannah age 12 and her mother Sarah age 30 it has written “Cotton Weaver”
Registration district: Ashton and Oldham
Sub-registration district: Hartshead
Piece: 533
Book: 6
Folio: 38
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Bradbury 30
Hannah Bradbury 12
Another point of interest for me is a column that has if the person was born in England or Outside of Country, and for both Sarah and Hannah its mark they were born in England.

•	1851 England Census about Hannah Bradbury

1851 England Census about Hannah Bradbury
Name: Hannah Bradbury
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: about 1829
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Altrincham, Cheshire, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Lancashire
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 66 4 Elm Terrace, Crostino, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 5f
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 2220
Folio: 166
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
James Moore 43
Margaret Moore 39
George Moore 17
William Moore 16
Euphemia Moore 12
Agnes Moore 11
James Moore 9
Robert Moore 7
Sarah Elton 11
Robert Elton 6
Frederick Elton 4
Hannah Bradbury 22

From this 1851 England Census I was able to learn that:
James Moore’s Occupation was a Veterinary Surgeon, Head of the House
Margaret Moore, wife of James Moore
James and Margaret Moore Children were:
George Moore 17
William Moore 16
Euphemia Moore 12
Agnes Moore 11
James Moore 9
Robert Moore 7
The other 3 children listed as being in this household are listed as “Minister’s Daughter or Two Son’s at home”.
Sarah Elton 11
Robert Elton 6
Frederick Elton 4
Hannah Bradbury, my Paternal 2nd Great Grandmother was 22 at the time and listed as the Domestic Servant.

John Barrett and Hannah Bradbury Marraige Cert

• The next document I have on Hannah is the Marriage Certificate of my Paternal 2nd Great Grandfather John Barrett and Hannah Bradbury
England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Hannah Bradbury
Name: Hannah Bradbury, listed as a Spinster
Gender: Female
Under the section of Brides Fathers Name is her Mother’s name: Sarah Bradbury listed as a Spinster
Spouse’s Name: John Barratt, listed as a Bachelor, job is listed as a Gardener
Spouse’s Father’s Name: Edward Barratt, listed as job of a Clogger
Marriage Date: 22 May 1859
Marriage Place: St Michael church , Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England

• When Hannah Bradbury married John Barrett she already had three children, whose names are:
John William Bradbury – 1852 – 1914
Violet Bradbury – 1856 – 1930
William Bradbury -1858 – 1858
There is no record if she had been married prior, or who the father of this three children were. On future documents John and Violet are sometime listed with the Bradbury last name and other times listed with the Barrett last name. I could not find any documents that John Barrett ever legally adopted this children.

1861 England Census about Hannah Barratt

• 1861 England Census about Hannah Barratt
Name: Hannah Barratt
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse’s Name: John Barratt
Gender: Female
Where born: Roachdale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 158 Garden Cott, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 158
Piece: 2985
Folio: 100
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
John Barratt 24
Hannah Barratt 29
John Barratt 9
Violetta Barratt 5
Thomas Barratt 1

1871 England Census about Hannah Barralt

1871 England Census about Hannah Barralt
Name: Hannah Barralt
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: about 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hurst Crop, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 99 John Street, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 99
Piece: 4075
Folio: 12
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Barralt 42
John Barralt 18 – coal miner
Violet Barralt 15 – cotton weaver
Thomas Barralt 11- laborer
Edward Barralt 8- laborer
William Barralt 5- laborer
David Barralt 2

So sad that everyone in the family was working in the coal mine or the textile factory except the youngest David age 2. During this time Hannah’s husband John Barrett was on another census in Manchester listed as a lodger, working at as a coal miner.

John & Hannah Barrett May 1878

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John & Hannah Barrett May 1878
Name: John & Hannah Barrett
Date of Trial: 20 May 1878
Trial Year: 1878
Location of Trial: Yorkshire – West Riding, England
Sentence: Acquitted or Discharged to be heard in another court
Crime: Maliciously Wounding

Criminal Registersabout John & Hannah Barrett - 1 Jul 1878

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John & Hannah Barrett – 1 Jul 1878
Name: John & Hannah Barrett
Date of Trial: 1 Jul 1878
Trial Year: 1878
Location of Trial: Yorkshire – West Riding, England
Sentence: Imprisonment – John was imprisoned for 3 month and Hannah for 2 months
Crime: Maliciously Wounding
Date of Execution or Release:

1881 England Census about Hannah Barrett

1881 England Census about Hannah Barrett
Name: Hannah Barrett
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: about 1829
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: John Barrett
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton U Line, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Emley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Crawshaw Lane,
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner Wife
Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Bretton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 4570
Folio: 16
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Barrett 63 – coal miner
Hannah Barrett 52 – wife
Thomas Barrett 21 – coal miner
Edwd. Barrett 19 – coal miner
Wm. Barrett 16 – coal miner
David Barrett 12 – laborer

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962 about Hannah Barrett

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962 about Hannah Hall

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962 about Hannah Barrett
Name: Hannah Barrett
Year: 1890
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Keighley
Place of Abode: Dwelling House, 441 Heys Gardens
Reference Number: KEI:1/4

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962 about Hannah Barrett
Name: Hannah Barrett
Year: 1891
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Holmfirth
Place of Abode: Padonaron
Reference Number: HOL:2/2

1891 England Census about Hannah Barret

1891 England Census about Hannah Barret
Name: Hannah Barret [Hannah Bradbury]
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Darton
Ecclesiastical parish: Darton
Town: Mapplewell
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 188 Spun Garden, Mapplewell, Darton, Yorkshire, England
Condition as to marriage: Widow (even though her husband John Barrett did not die until 1894 in Idaho, USA)
Employment status:
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Darton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 3768
Folio: 75
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age Relationship in the House
Hannah Barret 61 Head
John Barret 37 Son, listed as a Coal Miner
David Barret 22 Son, listed as a Coal Miner

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962 about Hannah Barrett
Name: Hannah Barrett
Year: 1892
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Keighley
Place of Abode: Sutton mill
Reference Number: KEI:2/2

Marriage Record of Charles Hall and Hannah Barrett

Marriage of Charles Hall and Hannah Barrett
Date of Marriage: 3 September 1892
Place: Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Groom: Charles Hall, age 50, widower, coal miner, who is living at Crigglestone village, civil parish Wakefield, in West Yorkshire, England at the time of the marriage. Grooms fathers name of profession Charles Hall (deceased) was a General Labourer.
Bride: Hannah Barrett, age 58, widow, no profession shown, who is living at Crigglestone village, civil parish Wakefield, in West Yorkshire, England at the time of the marriage. Bride’s fathers name and profession John Lees (deceased) Engine Tenter
What I find interesting is Hannah is listed as a Widow, but John Barrett, her husband, and my 2nd great-grandfather did not die until he was killed in a logging accident in Idaho, USA in 1894. There was not record or family history told of a divorce. In the mid 1880’s her husband John Barrett and their two older sons Thomas and Edward, and their now married families moved to USA, while Hannah and her children she had before she married John and Hannah and John’s two youngest sons John William and David stayed in England. As far as we know there was no more contact between the England and USA Barrett families, but no divorce.

1901 England Census about Hannah Hall

1901 England Census about Hannah Hall
Name: Hannah Hall
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Charles Hall
Birth Place: Hurst, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kexborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Darton All Saints
Town: Kexborough and Swithen Haigh
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 112 Dious Yard, Kexborough, Yorkshire, England
Condition as to marriage: married to Charles Hall
Employment status:
Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Cawthorne
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 4326
Folio: 13
Page Number: 17
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members:
Name Age Relationship Job
Charles Hall 58 Head, Husband Colling Labour below Ground Worker
Hannah Hall 68 wife

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962 about Hannah Hall
Name: Hannah Hall
Year: 1910
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Holmfirth
Place of Abode: Town end, Shelley
Reference Number: HOL:9/1; NORM:9/1

West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985 about Hannah Hall

West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985 about Hannah Hall
Name: Hannah Hall
Birth Year: abt 1829
Parish: Darton, All Saints
Burial Date: 24 May 1913
Burial Age: 84
Abode: Darton Road, Kexborough, Yorkshire, England
Ceremony was performed by: Victor W.P. Kingston
Buried at All Saints, Darton Cemetery

Hannah Bradbury

Another problem I have is the name Hannah Bradbury and her mother’s name Sarah Bradbury were both names that show up a lot in the area during that time period, and without knowing what their middle names were it makes it difficult to know if on some of the public records they may have used their full name or just their middle name.

I have checked on websites like “Find a Grave” and not had any luck finding any of this families graves.

I have written the churches in the area but have not got any other leads as to information on any of the Bradbury family

I am unsure what other means is out there that I could use to find birth, death or burial records, or any other records that would fill in the blanks to so many of the questions I have. I can not afford to hire a professional so any help, advice, leads that I can follow from any of my blog readers I would be grateful for.

A Site to Finding Our Cousins or other Extended Family

I am always looking for ways to find new family members. Below is something I learned about and started to use to find more of my family members.

Puzzilla Descendant Viewer:

Research Patterns in FamilyTree Collateral Lines.

Looking for new relatives?

Is your pedigree picked over?

Is there really no work left for you and your family to do?

The Descendants Viewer lets you see hundreds of descendants from an aerial view. Compact symbols reveal patterns of incomplete research. You can start where prior research left off.

Finding Our Cousins: Introduction to

Does anyone else have any sites that are helpful in finding and learning how to do our family history?

I love my family and hope to find and record as much of our family history so our family past, present and future may get to know each other and become closer for knowing what we each did in our life here on plant Earth!

I love my family and hope to find and record as much of our family history so our family past, present and future may get to know each other and become closer for knowing what we each did in our life here on plant Earth!

How Can we Use Our Family History in Our Gift Giving?

I wanted my grand daughter to see what she, and  her mother, grandmother and great grandmother looked like all around the same age.

I wanted my grand daughter to see what she, and her mother, grandmother and great grandmother looked like all around the same age.

I know my husband does not like to think about Christmas until after Thanksgiving, so the fact that I am working on Christmas gifts year round seems all the more crazy to him. When you have a family as large as ours and a limited retirement income, I have to work on my ideas year round to have a chance to make the gifts that I want to give. After all, I want them to be personal and show that some thoughtfulness went in to the gift making process. I love everything to do with Family, and my favorite things to do is to create and plan thoughtful gifts to those I want to show my love to.

Even as a small child I loved to hear the stories from the older family members about the life events of our ancestors. I really look forward to when the new season of “Who Do You Think You Are” starts, so I can hear how other peoples family history is discovered in this weekly hour-long show. The reason I liked to have scriptures read to me by my mother at a very young age, was to hear cool family stories about the joys and trails that these people went through in their lives. My mother’s calming voice as she read to me at bedtime is still some of my fondest childhood memories. OK, I will confess something that if my school mate friends would have known back in those days, I would have been teased about big time. What started out as my mother reading to me bedtime stories as a young girl continued on until well into my teens years. Yes, I could have read them myself, and did that lots of times, but for some reason my mom enjoyed our reading time as much as I did so I did not pass up the chance to just relax and let her relate those tender bed story’s. I am a history fan for the same reasons. I love to know how peoples choices in their own lives have affected the lives of others. This is an area that just comes as a natural interest to me. I was shocked as I became a teenager to find out not everyone shares the same enthusiasm for learning and telling stories about their family history as I do. Yet I have found out now, that at some point in most people’s lives we all start to wonder about our own family history. The lucky ones are the ones who do it while their parents or grandparents are still alive and they are able to tell us about some of our family history. We do have sites like that is a good resource to help us discover some of our family history. But lets be honest, “How many of us have old family photos that we have no idea who the different people are? “

For me personally, I ask myself how could I preserve my own family history in ways that whenever different family members might become interested in their family history they would have a resource to use? I wanted to make the family history places that I love a place that would hopefully become an easy and enjoyable way for other family members to learn some of the answers to the questions they might have about our family ancestors. I want my children and grandchildren and the ones who come after them to know not just their ancestors names and data like their birth-date and death dates, but I want them to know the person, the life events that molded the lives of all our different family members.

I wanted to show my father in his Marine uniform one of left is taken in early 1950's and one on right taken in 2013

I wanted to show my father in his Marine uniform one of left is taken in early 1950’s and one on right taken in 2013

I have my father, who does well just to turn on his computer to write a letter on his computer, and in contrast I have an eight year old granddaughter, who lives 2500 miles away from me, who will Skype, or Face Time me so she can talk me through how to do very advanced things on my computer. So here is a few things I tied to take advantage of to get our family history digitized and put our different websites on so any of our family members who do use the computer could have as much access to any family data that I could share.


I scanned as many of the family photos from my grandparents and parents photo albums. I put them on many different websites, from my Facebook photo albums, to genealogy websites like,,, and


One Christmas I made CD’s with personal labels of thousands of our old family photos and gave them to each of my different family members, so they too would have all the old family photos that I tried to organize and label.

I took all the old 8mm family films and VHS home videos, and I transferred them over to digital format. This is a process I am still working on, but one day I hope to have them edited and done in a way that I can give each family member their own copy of as many of our old family movies on DVD’s so they can watch them on their computers or TV.


I have some dairies of family members who have died, I want to one day take the parts I do not think they would mind sharing with other family members, and get them typed up on the computer, and place them in the above genealogy websites in that person’s area so anyone who is searching for them in the future will be able to learn more than just their name and dates.


I have some recipe fill boxes from family members who have died. I want to type up their recipes so their present day family can enjoy many treats from the past. I want to make up a family recipe book to give to the family members, and then also put their recipes on the above website so others in the future can try them and feel a little more connected to their ancestors.


I love to give my grandchildren a book as part of the Christmas gifts each year. I am in the process of attempting to make up a “Children” bedtime story book to give them of their real life ancestors. I want to include any maps of the area they lived and any photos we have. Why not let some of their bedtime stories be about their own personal history.


Another idea, is taking old photos of family members and putting them on my computer, then turning them into coloring pictures. Write a little something of who it is and why it’s part of the family coloring book. I want to make up coloring books for the younger grandchildren as a gift. This would be a wonderful quiet time, or family home evening active to have them do and to learn more about their family from the past and color Great grandpas face any color they want to.

My grandfather Heber Danner age 20, My father Donald B Danner age 20, and my son Donald E Liggett age 18. Photoshop to show how they all look the same , maybe like they are related ;)

My grandfather Heber Danner age 20, My father Donald B Danner age 20, and my son Donald E Liggett age 18. Photoshop to show how they all look the same , maybe like they are related 😉


You can go to most stores that sell computer items and buy a package of cloth transfer paper and then take old photos of family members and photo shop the person you plan to give the gift to in with an older ancestor who they look like. Then print the iron on photo to make a pillow case, a tee-shirt or something that you know they would maybe enjoy.


For several years I have been working on a Book project where I separated the different family lines. I hope if I ever finish that line back at least 10 generations, I can also make up books to give the family members.


On my Facebook page, I started several Family pages and I post all that I find on to that page. I use these pages as a means for different family members to view or to also post their findings, and come and share what others have posted. This is a good resource to learn and to help others in our family stay connected with the all family, past, present and future.

My Grandmother Ellen Barrett Danner

I am always looking for ideas of how to create fun and more personal gifts that also focus on our family history. If anyone has some ideas please share them here. I enjoy combining the things that I love to do and in so doing also give and share my findings of my family history with those I love.

A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words


Anyone who knows me, knows I love to spend lots of time going through old family photos. As I look at the photos I am involved with, it’s like being in a time machine, and I am instantly back to the day and time the photos were being taken. As I prepared for this week blog, and I was looking at the different family photos in my life, I found myself asking myself this question over and over again, what memories in my life do I have the most happiness from? Is it the time in my life when I was the child and going to family events that involved my grandparents and other extended family; or, is it the times in my life I was the parent or grandparent?







I would like to share a part from a book entitled “Make Me an Instrument of Your Peace” by Kent Nerburn, written in 1999 about his own life experiences.


“We’re conditioned to think that our lives revolve around great moments. But great moments often catch us unaware-beautifully wrapped in what others may consider a small one.


– Maya Angelou said ‘People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.’


May we make the world a little kinder and more compassionate by reminding ourselves that often it is the random acts of kindness that most benefit all of us? Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance.”


Happiness to me is Spending Time with Family

My life might not be prefect, but anytime I am with my family, it do not need to be any more happier or prefect for me!

My life might not be prefect, but anytime I am with my family, it does not need to be any more happier or prefect for me!

I will be turning 54 years old in a few weeks. Yesterday I hosted my youngest daughter, Melissa’s first baby’s baby shower. That is where the above photo was taken. When I was a lot younger, thinner and not as wise I would have most likely been embarrassed of the photo for how unflattering it is of me. I am heavier now than I ever thought I would be. I don’t always take the time, like I use to blow dry my hair and get my make up on before I go out to our family events. The aging process, mixed in with a life of learning to deal is different illness and side effects of the medicines I need to take has taken its toll on me. Yet, somehow when I see the happiness on all of our faces, knowing that those who know me, and accept me for who I am , flaws and all, enjoy the time they share with me, as much as I enjoy spending with them … I don’t see the extra weight, the wrinkles, the gray hair … instead I see an aging grandmother of going on 18 grandchildren enjoying all the blessings of my family life.

It’s a shame that it takes the aging process before our vision of what really matters in life to become more clear. I cherish the moments I am blessed to share in the little and big events of my family. Yes, there are things about myself I still want to keep working to improve, but for now I jokingly say “I need to have a bigger lap to hold and cuddle all the grand-babies that keep blessing my life.” I know we don’t get everything we want, but I do know God does give us everything we need. My life is far from being prefect, but when I look at the above photo, I proudly and honestly say to myself,” I do not need to be any more happy than in the prefect moments of my life spending and sharing my heart and time with my family.”

My Siblings


“I know it’s a cliché, but the whole family is just whacked. I mean, we’re all out of our minds. They’re the funniest, most eccentric bizarre people I’ve ever met, my siblings.”
― Dana Carvey

I am the fifth of six children in my family. My husband is an only child, whose father died when he was almost nine years old. As I tell my husband of the different things my siblings and I did in our childhood, he is amazed any of us made it to adulthood. To be honest my siblings and I agree with him. We were your typical kind of siblings that fought, teased, laughed, played, and tattle on each other. There is a large age gap from the oldest, my brother Don who was born in 1951 and the youngest, my sister Kathy born in 1966. What one of us could not think up to do, there was the others to come up with something. We shared many memories in our childhood. I love it when we now can get together and start telling some of our cherished childhood stories. We retell many of the same ones, yet laugh just as hard every time.
I cannot image how boring and lonely my life would have been without my partners in crime siblings. We each are so different, yet we love each other for who we are.

My older brother Fred, passed away in 2010, and it still is something I cannot totally come to terms with. I find myself talking to him all the time when I am doing something he and I did together. His death was a wakeup call for me to remember how precious each moment in our lives is. How important it is not to take our live ones for granted. Our daily responsibilities keep us busier than I would like, and the time we can get together seem further and further apart as our own individual families have grown, but when we do get together, it’s as if not time has passed and we are those silly childhood siblings laughing and carrying on as we always have done.

My husband bought me a wonderful artwork I hang on my wall that I make sure I read each day that I would like to close my blog this week with.

By Tim Tarrant
No matter how great the distance, we return, bearing the bruises of the paths we’ve chosen.
We come to join in laughter, in comfort, and in grief.
In this house spirits soar, souls dance, and magically we make up for the lost time.
We gather in a whirling celebration of life and like the river that run into the sea, we are once again whole.
We take comfort in knowing that through moments of great joy and times of sobering reality, we are surrounded by all that we will ever need … each other.

I love you Brothers Donald K, and Fredrick K; and Sisters Joann, Theresa M, and Katherine E Danner. Thank you for all the cherished sibling memories that I have. There will always be a bond between us that nothing can take away from us.

Mom & My Siblings and Me

lol we all have our crazy family moments, that are not so funny while we are living in them, but afterwards as we retell the stories, the laughter is priceless.

What sibling memories do my blog readers have that you are willing to share?

Danny and My 18 Grandchildren ~ 2014 ~

I love my family

I love my family

“Grand children are God’s way of compensating us for growing old”. ~Mary H. Waldrip

This coming Monday will be our oldest Grandson, Skylar’s 23rd Birthday (Happy Birthday Sky we love you). Today is a day I am reflecting back over my life as a child, a parent and as a grandparent. Over the last three weeks my husband Danny and I have had the pleasure of hanging out with most of our grandchildren at some point or another. Our grand daughter Ilana, who will be 9 years old in September, who lives in Maryland has been here visiting since Father’s Day, and what a joy it was. I did all in my power to pack in as much memory making stuff with her while she was here that I could, this since we don’t get to see her as often as the other grandchildren who live close by. We picked Cherries (25 pounds) and made cherry jam for her to take back as gifts for her family and friends on the East coast. We worked some on her scrapbook and we did some of her family history. You are never to young to learn how important family is in your life. She made it home safely today after going on her first time airplane ride going alone without an adult. It was a non stop flight, but a long 3 and half hour wait for her parents and grandparents until she was home. I really love it when they come, and I cry like a baby when the time comes for the “Good-byes”. I cannot express enough how much Grandpa and I love each and every one of our grandchildren even if we don’t get to see some of them as often. We are so proud of the individuals they each are growing into. Our oldest granddaughter Shalyse is getting married this coming March to a young man that our family loves and we are excited to welcome Tyler into our family. Our family is growing up so fast and I thank God everyday that we are blessed to be part of each of our grandchildren’s lives. We have grandson # 9 due on August 28th, and grand daughter #9 due on Oct 24th ( my oldest brother’s birthday). I just wanted to reflect and enjoy each and every moment that I have been blessed to spend with my grandchildren.

There’s nothing like having a grandchild to restore faith to heredity. ~Doug Larsen

The idea that no one is perfect is a view most commonly held by people with no grandchildren. ~Doug Larson

Grandparents are a family’s greatest treasure, the founders of a loving legacy, The greatest storytellers, the keepers of traditions that linger on in cherished memory. Grandparents are the family’s strong foundation. Their very special love sets them apart. Through happiness and sorrow, through their special love and caring, grandparents keep a family close at heart. ~author unknown

Surely, two of the most satisfying experiences in life must be those of being a grandchild or a grandparent. ~Donald A. Norberg

Grandparents are there to help the child get into mischief they haven’t thought of yet. ~Gene Perret

Grandparents are similar to a piece of string – handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of their grandchildren. ~Author Unknown

Nobody can do for little children what grandparents do. Grandparents sort of sprinkle stardust over the lives of little children. ~Alex Haley

Because (grandparents) are usually free to love and guide and befriend the young without having to take daily responsibility for them, they can often reach out past pride and fear of failure and close the space between generations. ~Jimmy Cart

It’s funny what happens when you become a grandparent. You start to act all goofy and do things you never thought you’d do. It’s terrific. ~ Mike Krzyzewski

Grandparents, like heroes, are as necessary to a child’s growth as vitamins. ~Joyce Allston

Grandchildren: the only people who can get more out of you than the IRS. ~Gene Perret

The presence of a grandparent confirms that parents were, indeed, little once, too, and that people who are little can grow to be big, can become parents, and one day even have grandchildren of their own. So often we think of grandparents as belonging to the past; but in this important way, grandparents, for young children, belong to the future. ~Fred Rogers

Something magical happens when parents turns into grandparents. Their attitude changes from “money-doesn’t-grow-on-trees” to spending it like it does.? ~ Paul Linden

My grandkids believe I’m the oldest thing in the world. And after two or three hours with them, I believe it, too. ~Gene Perret