Ancestors ~ Paternal Line ~ of Danny J Loveless ~ Part 1

Some of Our  Handsome  Men in Our Family

Some of Our Handsome Men in Our Family

For my blog this week I would like to start to share my husbands, Danny J Loveless’s paternal family line. It’s still a work in progress so if any of my readers could give me any advice I would be grateful for any feedback I receive. I will add some other blogs as I am able to finish getting all the facts figured out on some of the different interesting Family member’s and the stories in their lives.
Danny’s father died when he was only nine years old. He has two half-brothers from him, but they are 20 plus years older than him and one is deceased. They both had families of their own to care for as Danny was growing up so he did not interact much about their family history. Danny admittedly told me that he knew very little about his father’s family history because of his own lack of interest. Now as he has gotten older he has expressed an interest, so I have tried to learn what I could from the different genealogy sites that I use for family history research.

Here is what I have been able to piece together to this point.

Ancestors ~ Paternal Line ~ of Danny J Loveless
William Lovelace Luvlaz (1247 – 1270) is Danny’s 19th Great Grandfather (GGF)
John I Lovelace (1270 – 1300) is Danny’s 18th GGF
John Lovelace II (1300 – 1363) 17th GGF
John Lovelace III
(1330 – 1417) 16th GGF
John Lovelace IV (1360 – 1417) 15th GGF
Robert Richard Lovelace (1395 – 1466) 14th GGF
William John Lovelace (1435 – 1495) 13th GGF
Sir William Lovelace II (1480 – 1541) 12th GGF
William Lovelace III
(1527 – 1577) 11th GGF
Sir William IV Lovelace (1561 – 1628) 10th GGF
Sir William Lovelace (1583 – 1627) 9th GGF
Thomas Lovelace (1615 – 1689) 8th GGF
Thomas William Lovelace (1650 – 1763) 7th GGF
John Baptist Lovelace (1689 – 1765) 6th GGF
Thomas Loveless
(1706 – 1736) 5th GGF
John Loveless (1736 – 1811) 4th GGF
Joseph Loveless (1778 – 1829) 3rd GGF
John Jasper Loveless (1807 – 1880) 2nd GGF
James Washington Loveless
(1828 – 1889) GGF
David Henry Loveless (1862 – 1934) Grandfather
Carl Edwin Loveless (1904 – 1962) Father
Danny J Loveless Son of Carl Edwin Loveless

Some Interesting Loveless/Lovelace History that I found as I researched Danny’s family history:

1. The family names of Loveless and Lovelace all began as Lovelace.
• In pre-revolutionary
times the family was divided by political interests.
• The Tories or Royalists kept the Lovelace name and either returned to Europe or removed to Canada.
• In defiance the Patriots or Rebels who wanted to break away from England and to become Americans changed the name to Loveless. As you can see we come through the Patriots or “Rebel” side of the family 😉 This helps me understand where my husband got the Rebel in him.

2. In early records the Loveless/Lovelace name appears under many different spellings including Loulas; Luvlace; Loveles; Lovelisse; Lawless; Laghless; Laueless; Loweless; Lovelas; Louelace; Lovelass; Lovis.

3. Tradition says that the name originated from Loheac, who was a captain of a free company in the service of Edward the Black Prince, and he subsequently settled in England. I was not able to find any proof to back up this claim or to find out the first name of this man named Loheac or where he came from. Edward the Black Prince lived from 1330-1376. He was one of the most famous warriors of the middle ages. John Lovelace II (1300 – 1363) who is Danny’s 17th GGF, John Lovelace III (1330 – 1417) who is Danny’s 16th GGF and John Lovelace IV (1360 – 1417) who is Danny’s 15th GGF. These men all lived during Edward the Black Princes time period however to date I have not been able to find any data that links any of them with Edward the Black Prince. I have also been able to find an additional two generations of Danny’s family line, John I Lovelace (1270 – 1300) is Danny’s 18th GGF and William Lovelace/Luvlaz (1247 – 1270) is Danny’s 19th Great Grandfather (GGF) I do have my doubts as to the actual facts of this claim, but I try to keep an open mind and I will keep researching until I can prove or disprove its claim.

4. Lovelace (Loveless) is an old English surname derived from the “wearing of a love token”.

5. The Lovelace’s are Bethersden England’s most famous family; William Luvelaz is the earliest recorded member of this town and he is shown as witness to a Bethersden deed not later than 1247.

6. John Lovelace III (1330 – 1417), Danny’s 16th GGF; in 1367 purchased from William Kinet a manor in Bethersden, that was west of the parish church, which was afterwards variously known as “Bethersden”, “Bethersden-Lovelace”:, and “Lovelace Place”.

7. John Lovelace IV (1360 – 1417), Danny’s 15th GGF. He is mentioned as proprietor of the Lovelace Place, this took place in 1412 when he bought some marble pits in Bethersden from John Gybon. He died before April 15, 1417. A charter from Henry V (who reigned 1413-1422) mentions John Lovelace IV as heirs and landholders in Bethersden, and John Lovelace IV was buried with wife Joane or Johanna in the Bethersden Church.

8. Sir William Lovelace,(1583 -1628) Danny’s 9th great grandfather died in the great battle Siege of Groll, Holland, in the Netherlands. He married about or sometime before 1610, the granddaughter of an Elizabethan Chief Baron of the Exchequer, Her name was Lady Katheren Anne Barnes. She was born about 1587, the youngest child of Sir William Barne(s) and Anne Sandys. Known as Sir William Lovelace of Woolwich through his new wife’s estate but was called Sir William the younger in will. In May, 1609, he was referred to as Captain William Lovelace, who was a member of the Virginia Co. and a Knight of Bethersden-Kent, and direct ancestor of the Bethersden line.

9. Richard Lovelace, (1582 – 1657) Danny’s 8th great grand uncle, was the oldest son of Sir William IV Lovelace (1561 – 1628), Danny’s 9th GGF, and the Brother of Sir William Lovelace, Danny’s 8th great grandfather (1583 -1628). Richard Lovelace was known as the Cavalier poet, courtier and soldier. In 1642 it was wrote that Richard Lovelace, was “reputed to be the handsomest man in England.” This explains where the men in our family get their good looks. During this time England was faced with the prospect of war with France, so King William asked Parliament to authorize the creation of a standing army in England. This they refused. Many in England were angered by the decision and sent appeals to Parliament to that effect. The people of Kent (the county closest to France and so the most likely to be ruined, and the one that the Lovelace family lived in) wrote the “Kentish Petition” and chose five men to carry it to London to present it to Parliament, Richard Lovelace was one of this five men. The Commons declared the petition seditious, and the men were arrested and imprisoned. Richard Lovelace was sent to the Gatehouse Prison, Westminster.
Lovelace petitioned the Commons for his liberty, and late in June 1642 he was released on personal bail of £IO, 000. Unable, without forfeiting his bail, to fight for Charles I, he instead supplied his brothers with money. Lovelace is known to have been at Bethersden at various dates between 1642 and 1647, he was selling his property there piece by piece to Richard Hulse of Great Chart. In 1645 and 1646 he was in the Low Countries, serving apparently as a Colonel in the French army, and he was wounded at Dunkirk in 1646. After his return to England, he was among the Royalists that defeated and captured Fairfax at Maidstone in 1648. Once again he was imprisoned in London; he died aged less than 40 in 1657 and was buried at St. Bride’s, Fleet Street.

10. During the Commonwealth the poet’s, Richard Lovelace’s surviving brothers, Capt. Thomas, Col. Francis and Capt. Dudley Posthumus Lovelace all went to America, and after the Restoration, Francis Lovelace was the Governor of New York 1669-72. Captain William Lovelace, Danny’s 9th great grandfather (1583 -1628) who died in battle was not able to go to America, but he was one of the original members of the Virginia Co and some of his children were able to go to America. Among them was Thomas Lovelace (1615 – 1689) Danny’s 8th GGF who settled in New York, and his older sister Anne Barne Lovelace and her husband John (Rev) Gorsuch who settled in Jamestown Virginia. This is why, and when those in our Lovelace family came to live in America.
Loveless Lovelace Line

How Do We Choose to Record the Many Layers & Flavors of Our Family History?

How do we define sensitive subjects and the feelings these subjects generate that make us want to keep our heads in the sand?

How can we hope for any change in those “gray areas” when we are doing our Family History, when some individuals are superb at many diversionary tactics that will make it difficult for some to find out what the real facts are?

Nothing sparks a family argument faster or gets people more heated than the two basic evils: Democrats and Republicans 😉  … Okay, seriously in most families it’s always been religion, politics and differences of opinions over family history that will spark the points of contention. So the question is how do you keep all the different family members working to find a common and acceptable agreement when we seem to always collide over any one of these subjects?

Everyone who does any genealogy loves to brag about their famous ancestors they find in their family tree and for the most part that is a good thing.   On the other side of that coin are those who happen to find the “Hitler’s” that are in their family tree which makes them want to hide and never talk about those dirty and sometimes shady parts of their family history . Though out history it has been shown that many have gone to great lengths to keep their embarrassing family “secrets” buried and hidden even to the point of destroying any documents that would tell of anything that was not wanted to be known publicly. This Makes doing genealogy difficult if not impossible for those in that family blood line to sort out their family history when there is big gaps that have been changed or erased all together.  Anything that went against the “Norm” of society was just not talked about or it was covered over.  In some cases an account of something shady might have been written down in one family members account but the same thing was either changed or deleted from another’s.  Areas such as criminals with jail time, children born out of marriage, maybe even having members of the family in radical groups, like the SS or KKK were some of the sore spots.  Then there are other tender subjects we come across in our family research, things like suicides, mental illness, homosexual relationships, domestic abuse, or alcohol and drug abuse, polygamy or interracial marriages to just name a few of those “Taboo” subjects that in some accounts were avoided or recorded differently than what really happen but none the less they were still  a part of those families history.

While I am sure that there are areas, which no matter what a person’s beliefs are on any certain subject, for one reason or another they will never be able to agree or want to understand someone whose opinions do not match theirs. The purpose of my blog this week is not to find out who is right or wrong but rather as someone who loves to do genealogy I want to try to learn how to continue my family research when in some cases so few documents still exists on certain family lines, or I find conflicting documents so not sure how to continue on and be as accurate as possible.  My personal goal is to overcome the problems caused by the many things that the families of that time wanted to hide. Another matter I struggle with is once you do find something in your family history that might not be “socially” acceptable even in our time or would for sure embarrass someone in your family, how do you go about recording it accurately and in a manner that is acceptable ?

There are many who only want to know the exciting and upbeat parts of their family trees and for them only knowing the names, and vital statistics like dates and places of the births and deaths are all that is important to them in their genealogy research. This is where they draw the line and any facts that are uncomfortable, embarrassing, or they just do not agree with are deleted from their family history. They believe family history is a private matter that needs to be kept private and only the upbeat things should be shared.

Then, there are those like me that feels that any type of history should consist of the truth and wrote down accurately and completely.  I am a person who not only wants but needs to know as many facts as I possibly can on all those in my family and this means the “Good, the Bad and the Ugly”.  Until the puzzle feels completed I keep looking. I guess this is my OC that is coming out in my family history research, but I do feel it’s vitally important to know the complete truth.   I do not think less of, or get embarrassed by the choices that my past family members made in their lives that were different from what my own personal moral code is. I truly enjoy the personal, human side of family history which helps me to understand what the times and areas were like for my different family ancestors and this brings me comfort knowing that they too were human and made their share of mistakes. I gain a whole new level of gratitude for the blessings of my life as I have read the different ways others learned to cope with the hardships of their own lives.  I now feel I better understand myself enough to know that what is the best and right course for me, is not always the best and right course for other who might also share the same family blood lines as me.

I find it interesting as I watch the TV show “Who Do You Think You Are?”   Before the professional genealogist reveals any unflattering family news they always ask the star if they are sure they want to know the whole truth.  My answer would always be YES !!


So my questions this week to my blog readers is this.

  1. How do you deal with the many different layers and flavors of your family research?
  2. If you find facts along your research that is in those “grey areas” of being socially unacceptable things do you still share it in your public family research areas?
  3. If you currently have things in your family that are in those “grey areas” of being socially unacceptable, will you do like those of the past did and cover them up, or will you record the facts and the truths as they are?